“It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land” — Qur’an 8:67
“Robert D. Crane’s lies and empty boasts in The American Muslim
In the truth-challenged American Muslim, Robert Crane says:
“Fortunately, the run-of-the mill Islamophobes, like Robert Spencer, shoot themselves in the foot by attempting patently to pervert Islam through the mouths of the worst Muslim extremists in order to prove their superficial and easily demolishable case.”Unfortunately for Crane, he flagrantly lied when attempting to demolish my case in the past, claiming that a Qur’anic passage that quite obviously mandates the killing of enemies as preferable to the taking of hostages (“It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land” — Qur’an 8:67) as meaning just the opposite. I had said that it meant that making “slaughter” was preferable to taking hostages. Crane claimed that I was lying, and that this passage meant that “the proposed execution of the prisoners would have constituted an awesome sin and warranted a ‘tremendous chastisement.’”
Unfortunately for Crane, even Muslim translators of the Qur’an say that the “tremendous chastisement” will come because the Muslims took hostages and demanded ransom instead of killing those they took hostage. Abdullah Yusuf Ali translates 8:68 as “Had it not been for a previous ordainment from Allah, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that ye took.” Yet despite Ali’s gloss that the “severe penalty” would come because of the “ransom,” which is just what I said, Robert D. Crane has never called Abdullah Yusuf Ali an “Islamophobe.”
Sure, Mr. Crane, it’s easy to “demolish” me when you lie to make your case. But despite your shaky relationship with honesty and truth, I still invite you to demolish me face-to-face. All the time I hear from you and your coreligionists — such as CAIR’s Ahmed Rehab — that my “case” is “easily demolished,” and yet none of you mighty men are willing to meet me in an honest discussion and debate, and prove your assertion.
Now, why is that?”
Posted on an Islamic web site Winds of Jihad
This is an actual Islamic website, trying to belittle anti-Islamic, anti-terrorist, anti-shari’a groups/people warning the average, non-Muslim populace about what is really going on in the world. In this article, we see what the Qur’an really says, as it is pointed out to us…looks like a devout Muslim experts (Robert Crane) misunderstood the Qur’an (Qur’an 8:67) as to meaning that the Qur’an isn’t telling Muslims to behead or kill non-Muslims, but to make them surrender unconditionally…and Sheik Yer’mami jumps in in his article here and points out that Crane, even being a Muslim doesn’t know anything because what Crane said was not true…the Qur’an does not mean unconditional surrender, it does, in fact, mean kill. Kill the non-Muslims. That was what the key point in Islam is…as by what high powered, all knowing leader types confirm…KILL NON-MUSLIMS…
Funny how a U.S. Muslim is trying to perform taqiyya to fool American about Islamic world domination and takeover, and a big sheik calls the taqiyya’er a liar and tells us the truth what the verse means…maybe he doesn’t know the qur’an or the ideology as well as he thinks he does…but all is good, because it just confirms what we all know…Islam’s primary goal is to kill people of the Book and non-Muslims, surrender and captives are secondary.
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